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teza

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Hi.  I could not find this N series card listed in the Forbes & Mitchell guide.  According to Todd's site it has been assigned series N856.  I assume that the unusually high series number means that Burdick and other early catalogers did not have one to catalog.  Martin Murray provided one image.  Mine appears to be the 2nd.  Any others out there?  Note card size is slightly smaller than a typical small format A&G card.

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Hey Jeff,
That is really cool! Can you tell me the size for the database?

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This looks like an important (rare) card.

Here's the excerpt (below) for P. Whitlock from CRB151 (Martin Murray, CSGB), showing 3 known Whitlock series:
- N488 Actresses (20 known)
- N856 Circus Series (1 known - 2 now with this card) - including size 64mm x 36mm
- N115 Old Virginia Cheroots Library (series of 25) - CRB151 shows these are copyrighted 1896, so post the ATC takeover (1891)

Plus some pictures for comparison from Todd's site (note that N488 Actresses has a similar back).

The earliest newspaper clippings I can find (at a quick search) come from c.1885. But the all tobacco cigarette wasn't introduced until later. Here's a newspaper clipping from 27 July 1889, introducing the P. Whitlock all tobacco cigarettes, "Old Virginia". And a further slightly earlier clipping from 11 October 1888 for the Old Virginia Cheroots (N115).

Plus a further all tobacco cigarette advert from 15 Nov 1890 (sold in 'boxes', not packets), followed by the sale of P. Whitlock to the ATC, from a newspaper clipping 9 March 1891. 

Not one of the earliest series, but a real rarity and a lovely card. Would be great to see if any more of these circus cards are out there?

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P Whitlock - 1889.jpg P Whitlock - Cheroots - 1888.jpg 

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Seems like Whitlock survived the ATC transition for some time - here's two different cheroots boxes from post ATC (both on ebay), interestingly "American Cigar Company" in the second cheroot box.

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Plus a packet with trademark shown as 1886 for the Old Virginia cheroots brand.

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a third box from a little later, using the Lorillard lead brand.


Whitlock - cheroots packet 1886 TM.jpg  Whitlock - cheroots boxes 2.jpg


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Thanks Tim, I'm always impressed with the amount of information you can mine from the various publications and on-line resources.

Todd - the cards measures 2 1/2" x 1 7/16".  Very close to what Tim provided.

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Phenomenal card Jeff............

 

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