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Feel free to add any other sets you want to talk about to the thread....................

I love looking at obscure issues and looking for them and RARELY ever see any of some issues and I just wonder........WHAT EXPLAINS THE SCARCITY?  Just looking through some notes on some scarce T cards.....T123, T124, T131, T180, T181 and T182.  Those are all what I'd consider the back of the book (BOB) for T cards and not mainstream at all.  I've culled some photos from either the Met Burdick collection or other places.  Does anyone here have any cards from any of these series?  Sorry in Advance for some SUPER large photos..........

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T180-T182 rumored to be unissued?
T131 Designs cut from packaging so difficult to search out?
T123 No idea why so scarce?
T124 Albums are out there (I have one) but cards are scarce as hen's teeth

Lost in paper drives?  So regional and not widespread distribution?  Never really issued (like T180-T182)?  



T123 Cards
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T123FRONT-T1-2.jpg
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T124 Cards

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T131 Cards

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T180 Cards
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T181 Cards


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T182 Cards

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T352


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For one I welcome large photos
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I wasn't even aware that there WAS a T181 or 182.
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The Met Museum lists all of the cards in T180, T181, & T182.  I compiled these checklists for reference.

T181Abdul CigarettesAnimals of the World
CounterAnimal 
1American Bison 
2American Tapir 
3American Wild Sheep 
4Bactrian Camel 
5Bear, Grizzly 
6Beaver 
7Camel, Arabian 
8Canadian Lynx 
9Chamois 
10European Otter 
11Giraffe, South African 
12Great Grey Kangaroo 
13Hippopotamus 
14Indian Elephant 
15Indian Muntjac 
16Indian Rhinoceros 
17Jaguar 
18Llama 
19Moose 
20Pine Marten 
21Polar Bear 
22Porcupine, Crested 
23Red Deer 
24Striped Hyena 
25Tiger 
26Walrus 
27White-Tailed Wildebeest 
28Wild Boar 
29Zebra 
30Zebu 


T181Abdul CigarettesRaces of Mankind
CounterRace 
1Africa 
2Andalusia 
3Australia 
4Borneo 
5Chile 
6China 
7Circassia 
8Congo 
9Cuba 
10Demerara 
11Egypt 
12Germany 
13Greece 
14Greenland 
15Hawaii 
16Hindoostan 
17Holland 
18Japan 
19Lapland 
20Madagascar 
21Malay 
22Mexico 
23North America 
24Norway 
25Nubia 
26Oceanica 
27Persia 
28Portugal 
29Roumania 
30Russia 
31Sahara 
32Scotland 
33Spain 
34Steppes 
35Sumatra 
36Switzerland 
37Tamania 
38Tartary 
39Turkey 
40Tyrol 

T182Abdul CigarettesMilitary Uniforms and Caps
CounterCountryUniform
1Austria-HungaryBodyguard
2Austria-HungaryLight Artillery
3Austria-HungarySharpshooter
4EnglandHighlander 42 Regt.
5EnglandLife Guard
6EnglandRoyal Horse Artillery
7FranceAlgerian Tirailleurs
8FranceCuirassier
9FranceInfantry
10GermanyField Artillery
11GermanyInfantry
12GermanyUlan
13ItalyArtillery
14ItalyCavalry
15MexicoInfantry
16MexicoRural (Gendarme)
17RussiaChevallier Guard
18RussiaInfantry
19RussiaLight Artillery
20SpainInfantry
21SpainPavia Hussar
22United StatesCavalry
23United StatesInfantry
24United StatesLight Artillery

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Check-out the striking similarity of this c1898 "Animals" sheet to the scarce T180 Abdul Cigarettes card shown above (gray borders and all...).  These images are also shared with the A&G N21 and E28 Philadelphia Caramel series.  

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I think it's pretty obvious why the T352 might appear rare while they might not be. It doesn't look like there's anything but a series number on the corner of an unattributed sheet holding a number of cigar bands that ostensibly would have been squirreled away in cigar band books if not played with by children at issuance. Issues like this unless they were plentiful to the degree that many of the packages themselves survived intact are mostly lost to time. Maybe a short lived regional distribution? There already were bands around the cigars in the box - likely just a bad idea. The earlier series are much more easily identified and made more sense - bands in cigarette boxes. It's late so of course I may be missing something - or everything. 
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Nice, Henry throws out Occam’s Razor.
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I've never even seen a T181 before, that's a great looking card.


Perhaps not "technically" non-sport, but T228 is another truly obscure issue most collector's don't know exists.  
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Here are the T180, T181, T182 cards from the Burdick albums at the Met.

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The T124 John J Bagley Buckingham Cigarettes is an interesting one, from various angles.

Seems that the Bagley tobacco company dates from way back (in the 1850s) - see Wikipedia entry below for John Judson Bagley, who founded the company and became 16th Governor of Michigan in 1873.

Bagley tobacco is well-known in various brands, including on an early advertising card from the 1880s (see below) for Mayflower. Buckingham Smoking Tobacco shows up through to 1923 - and there are many tins available on eBay.

Seems though that cigarettes and inserts were not something the John J Bagley company focused much on. The Buckingham cigarettes show up in 1922/1923 (only), some adverts shown below.

Mack Sennett is perhaps best known for the Keystone Cops. But his Bathing Beauties were successful over a relatively long period, 1915-1928. Further snippet shown below.

What is strange about the T124 series is that the album seems relatively common (as Tom says) - there is one on eBay now - but the cards are very rare, it seems. Todd's non-sport.com site shows only 10 of the 120 cards. Perhaps the only series of cards where the album is more common than the cards?

My best guess is that the Sennett Bathing Beauties cards (T124) were available around 1922/1923. Not c.1910-1915 as noted in the World Tobacco Index.

John J Bagley's son, John N Bagley, ran the company through to c.1924 (snippet below from his 1929 obituary), passing on the baton to his brother Paul S Bagley - so the family firm had a great run, of maybe 80 or more years - I haven't traced the end of the company. 

An interesting diversion for a couple of hours!

Bagley - wikipedia.jpg 

Bagley - advert card 1880s.jpg 

Bagley - Aug 1922.jpg 



Bagley - Sep 1922.jpg 


Sennett Bathing Beauties 1.jpg 

Sennett Bathing Beauties 2.jpg 

Bagley - Jan 1929.jpg    



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