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teza

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Anyone see these pop-up on eBay the other day?  My first reaction was to buy, but then I noticed a few subtle differences from the ones issued as tobacco premiums.

First, the logo wasn't right.  It was placed in the right spot, but the image was different.  What was it?

Second, a few of the universities were the exactly the same as their tobacco counterparts, but others were not.  For example Yale had what looked like an L42 leather added to it. 

Finally, there were a couple backside ink stamps, one identifying who I have now determined to be a licensed/authorized leather novelty company for many universities and fraternities around 1912 - 1914...The Utley's Inc., Holyoke, MA.  Perhaps this was the same company that made the sister leathers for the tobacco companies.

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Jeff

Harvard.jpg  Princeton.jpg  Yale.jpg  Dartmouth.jpg  Utley's Adv.jpg  Harvard Logo.jpg  Utley's Logo.jpg  Utley's Inc.jpg 

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Extremely interesting.....you would 100% think they produced the tobacco leather premiums by looking at them despite the differences. I do anyway without much of a leap :-) The only thing is a lack of the company stamping or whatever on a tobacco example - although there isn't any company designation or attribution I've ever seen. Someone (an interested party 😉) needs to further explore the company through trade journals and the like as Tim and others have done for tobacco issues. Hard to see them having been made by anyone else. I never saw them at auction - assume they are over?
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Here's another I missed in the original posting.  Yes - all sold between $150 - $350 a piece.

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I have seen a number of these Utley's before & have studied several examples from Chad Dreier's collection to be able to make some direct comparisons between these and the tobacco premiums.

I agree with Henry that Utley very possibly made both these college leathers and the Turkish Trophies premium offer leathers - the styles are very similar and there couldn't have been that many leather premium producers as these were not high-volume items.

All the tobacco premium leathers I've studied have been listed on various premium coupons (though sometimes with slightly different captions) and all have had a number at the bottom in a hexagon or circle that corresponds to the number on the coupon. Every tobacco premium leather I've studied has had no company stamp on the back.

The Utley's do not have the number at the bottom, have a company stamp on the back, and not all are the same subjects as listed on the Turkish Trophies coupons. There is a distinct difference between them and the tobacco premiums.

My tentative conclusion was that these college leathers were part of a non-tobacco issue, very possibly by the same company that produced the TT premiums.

HOWEVER, the whole leather premium topic is way under-researched and there are still many mysteries to be solved. I still have not been able to confirm that all the subjects listed on the TT coupons were actually issued. I have found that some groups were issued in different styles. Some groups are embossed, some printed.

As an example, there are two main tobacco premium shapes to the leather - a rounded shape and a "square" corner shape. Generally the same shape was used within each group but I've seen all five of the L4 Generals in the square corner style and three in the rounded corner style. This could possibly be due to the same premium producer using different stamps to cut the leathers at different times or two different suppliers making the same subjects. The difference between the printed and embossed styles may be due to artistic differences in production at the same factory or due to two or more different producers making various contributions to the tobacco company to fill premium offers.

My prevailing theory is that there was more than one leather premium producer involved and that at least one of those (Utley?) produced other premiums besides those used by the tobacco company. I fully expect my theory to be debunked when new information surfaces...

Bob




 



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Utley's had quite the university novelty offering.  At the the bottom of the store window exhibit display picture there appear to be many small tobacco-like university leathers.

Jeff

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I knew nothing about 'leathers' until I saw this post - and given the historic/research angle, well, you know me, I can't resist!

So, Utley's Inc was created (I believe) by Lewis Beaman Sinley Utley (1882-1965). In the period 1912-1914 he seems to have specialised in leather goods and college/fraternity novelties - per Jeff's snapshots above. I've added a patent below (Sept 1914), stating the logo has been used since February 1912. This confirms the specialist area he focused on. Plus I've added another 1913 advert.

From Todd's site, the ATC/Helmar's coupon expiry date of June 1914 (posted below) shows the leathers seemed to be issued around 1913/1914, so the dates line up pretty well.

However, there is no sign that Utley's did any work for ATC or any leather design work for baseball, actors/actresses etc, per the other ATC leathers.

It feels like Utley's probably did make the College leathers for ATC, but probably not the non-College designs. But just a guess.

Also interesting to note that Utleys Inc seems to be still going today, with the same Utleys logo that was patented all the way back in 1914. Lewis Utley moved away from Holyoke, around WW1, and married in 1916, having 3 children. He later passed on the business to his youngest child George D Utley II, probably after WWII, as indicated by the last post (date of 1945 attributed to when George D Utley II 'started' the business). 

See below for some additional posts on the Utley's Inc as it is today.


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TT coupon back.jpg  TT coupon front.jpg 

Lewis B S Utley and his son George D Utley II (plus George D Utley I) in their family tree:

Lewis Utley tree.jpg 


And the company today, using the same logo, (incorrectly?) credited to Lewis Utley's son George D Utley II:

Utley Inc today.jpg 




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