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DanCalandriello

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A few years have passed since the R73 Master Set (432 cards) was discussed.
Let's document the current status of  R73, 432s

1. Win Knowles       complete  (his post Nov 2018)
2. Dan McKee          complete ?
3. Dan C.                  complete 
4. Dan H.                  working
5. Todd R.                 working         
6. Brent B.                working      

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     R73 Master is not shown at  PSACARD 
   (3/23/2019)  (thanks, Dan Hollandbeck)   
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    432 card checklist ?   scroll down
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I think Dan McKee may have one as well.  I only got the 216 one done.  I think Brent Butcher and Daniel Hollandbeck are working on them as well.

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I'm at 340 of 432. Getting there; expect to get most of the way there but know that the low series of 288s are likely not going to be possible for me to complete (likely anyway). Having worked on this set for a while now I really don't think that it should be looked at as a 1-216 numerical set. It's really a conglomerate of a bunch of smaller series of twenty-four card sets that I think should be collected independently by series. PSA is generally terrible with early non-sports and their unwillingness to break IG down by series is disappointing to me.

Dan, to directly answer the question, PSA only lists one of each number from 1-216 and considers this to be a complete set. They do not allow for someone to say, be working on the twenty-four cards from the series of 192 "more cards" variety. It's a shame because if they did do this then I think that a lot more people would get interested in working on IG because these series sub sets are infinitely more collectible than the 1-216 which is the only way to have it on the registry at the moment.

I'm confident that Brent is working on a set as well and that the condition of his will be better than mine!
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Once I combine this recent pickup of 414 different with my own I should be pretty close...
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Always happy to see collectors pick up the tough white backgound high numbered indians.

Wishing you the best, Todd and Daniel, with the 288's lows.

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Here's a question-is this the most widely issued NS set of the era?
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I'm around 325 different...  Its a really fun set to collect! 
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If you mean most widely distributed to areas of the US, I'd take a guess - NO   

I think they shipped:  south to Florida - mid-west to Chicago -mid-west to St Louis, MO.
Maybe someone can confirm shipping to California and Texas

As for shipping Indian Gum (black backs) (late 40s-early 50s) - I know nothing.
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I'd take a guess that 
Gum Inc's war issues (War Gum, Uncle Sam and Horrors of War)
had a far better  U.S.  distribution.

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        A daunting "432" checklist - - - - not edited
   http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/ig/group.html

addressing Daniel Hollandbeck's post - 18 sub-sets

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          Let's give full credit to Win Knowles
                     for his relentless efforts 
                           many years ago
                     to scour card shows and
                  document his R73 findings 
                     in Les Davis' Wrapper
  
        A huge effort that was never given credit
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To Todd...
    After reviewing your pickup, my new guess is 428.
    I hope I'm wrong an you are nearer to the 432 mark.

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Bumping this thread to ask about an unexpected Indian Gum I received this week. I already owned one #199 Nesjaja Hatali from the series of 312. Fresh arrival as part of an auction lot is the same card from "series of forty-eight," which is a neat trick for a card that appears to just be #199 and not released with a number lower than #48. Anyone know what its story could be? Any other cards printed outside their intended series numbering?hatali 1.png 

My series of 312 front is the washed-out one and series of forty-eight is the bluer one.

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Of the 432 cards in a master set 120 different cards are labelled from the "series of 48" on the backs. Many exceed the actual number 48. They run from card numbers 1-48 and then skip number from 110 all the way up to 209.

Series of 24 is really the only self contained series as they are numbered from 1-24 and there are only 24 of them. Series of 192 run from 25-48 and then skip intermittently from 73-141. Series of 96 stop at number 72. Series of 216 skip intermittently from 76-163. Series of 264 skip intermittently from 92-210. Low series of 288 skip intermittently from 110-152 and high series of 288 skip intermittently from 154-209. Series of 312 skips intermittently from 171-216 for non-white backs and intermittently from 154-209 for the white backs.

The longer I collect this set the more I object to it being viewed as a complete 1-216 set. That's not what this set is about at all. It's eighteen sets of twenty-four cards.
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Of the 432 cards in a master set 120 different cards are labelled from the "series of 48" on the backs. Many exceed the actual number 48. They run from card numbers 1-48 and then skip number from 110 all the way up to 209.

Series of 24 is really the only self contained series as they are numbered from 1-24 and there are only 24 of them. Series of 192 run from 25-48 and then skip intermittently from 73-141. Series of 96 stop at number 72. Series of 216 skip intermittently from 76-163. Series of 264 skip intermittently from 92-210. Low series of 288 skip intermittently from 110-152 and high series of 288 skip intermittently from 154-209. Series of 312 skips intermittently from 171-216 for non-white backs and intermittently from 154-209 for the white backs.

The longer I collect this set the more I object to it being viewed as a complete 1-216 set. That's not what this set is about at all. It's eighteen sets of twenty-four cards.


Thanks for setting my mind at ease! In that vein, is there a master checklist of those eighteen sets you recommend? I've hunted a few times without success for something that captures that kind of detail.
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The checkllist.   Lot of information here, so make sure you scroll down.    http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/ig/group.html



 

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That is by far the best checklist for Indian Gum
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I am close to the base 216 set.

I have some harder series (24, 288) for trade if anyone is interested.
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     I reiterate my comment of a year ago

      Credit Win Knowles for his Herculean effort to  
    document R73 information in Les Davis' Wrapper.
  He was credited in THE WRAPPER and at this FORUM,
     but every collector that pursued the "432" set
        owes him much more than a thank you.

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            Thank you, Win Knowles. 
    I wanted to complete a "master set"
       but had no idea where to begin.
    You are a true "gentleman collector"
     for sharing information that took
                 years to amass.

 

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    I wonder if Marty Krim completed his IG 432s.
     I consider Marty a "Never Give Up" collector.

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    I wonder if Marty Krim completed his IG 432s.
     I consider Marty a "Never Give Up" collector.



Speaking of, haven't seen a post of his for awhile here.

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Yes, completed the Master Set of Indian Gum
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I am close to the base 216 set.

I have some harder series (24, 288) for trade if anyone is interested.



Do you happen to have a serviceable 140/288?  
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Originally Posted by DanCalandriello
          Let's give full credit to Win Knowles
                     for his relentless efforts 
                           many years ago
                     to scour card shows and
                  document his R73 findings 
                     in Les Davis' Wrapper
  
        A huge effort that was never given credit



Thank you for the kind words, Dan.

I am still seeking a nicer 140/288 to replace the dog that I have.  Between 2012 and 2015, I had pretty good luck upgrading my lower condition cards, resulting in a very pleasing 431/432 (140 the only dog).  I was very happy to get this set back after my collection was stolen year-before-last.

The other passion of mine at this time is a Zoom Master set.  I need 6 of the high number cards, having 494/500 of them.  The low colors are being a bit more difficult as I stil need 16 of the 200 colors, having 259/271 when the white are added in.

Having been at this for quite some time, I'd have to say that the Zoom low colored bordaers are pretty darn tough.  I'd say maybe as tough as the series of 24 Indians or the higher number half of the series of 288 Indians.  I there are any "master" sets of them, they were probably put together many years ago.  Those low numbered colored Zooms just don't come to market very often.  

Well....  That's about all I have to say.  Thanks again Dan for your kind words....
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