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From my picture archives - I have more somewhere.... 

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These ATC letters, pinpointing dates the cards were inserted are a great piece of historic evidence. As you'll know, my focus has been on the very earliest US cards pre-ATC - and UK cigarette and trade cards, of course. But I guess I should branch out at some point!
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A bit of history behind these ledger pages. Dave Grime was one of the big contributors to our book (American Tobacco Cards) and at one point (late 1990's) he mailed me this American Tobacco Company ledger so I could study it. I was able to get quite a bit of information out of it, though unfortunately someone had already gotten to the ledger and torn out the pages that had cards from some of the baseball series on them so it was incomplete.

I did make color copies of all the pages then sent the ledger back to Dave. I wish I could have just purchased it back then but it was a bit too pricey for me at the time. I am not sure where it went after that. I've got all the copies somewhere & could probably find them with a bit of digging.

I did include all the ledger information in the book and it was the best source document I ever found as far as establishing the actual issue dates of many of the T-series.

Since then, I have seen a few pictures of some of the ledger pages that included baseball players so some of those may still exist separately.

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The ledger is now in my possession. I think I have a pdf of it somewhere if people are interested. I think there are 65 pages.
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Fascinating study, those are new to me.  Like Tim, if ledger pages like that surfaced from the 19th century I'd fall off my rocker.  Love the exact information on packing, shipping, and discontinuation occasionally including the coupon.  Great stuff, thanks for sharing.  Todd, I'd love a copy if you have it available.
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Truly fascinating documents - looks like Auto Drivers were packaged for about three days before the supply was exhausted and replaced with the bird series.
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Forgot I had already made it available online:

http://www.non-sport.com/ATC.pdf

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That was GREAT! Thanks Todd. I saw the book in person and boy there's a LOT missing. At the time - I was newly into collecting this stuff (although I was fired up) and didn't even consider buying it. Now would be a different story.
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Fantastic! Thanks for sharing Todd. Nothing like exact history from the original source.

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absolutely mesmerizing thanks for sharing!
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Todd: So glad to hear that the ledger made it to a great home within the hobby! Not knowing where it ended up has really bugged me over the years - I would have hated to see a unique historical piece like that get lost. Knowing it is in good hands is a great feeling.
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Thank you for sharing Todd!  I have never seen some of these pages before, and the T218 pages help us 'sports for the non-sporty' guys a lot.  Interesting that they suggest a January 1910 issue date for T218 series 1, which by reading the card backs, is 100% impossible.  Quite a fun read
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